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	<title>Comments on: Craigslist: An Aesthetic Abomination And Not The Daily Killer Everyone Thinks</title>
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		<title>By: Job Board News</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jobdig.com/diggings/2008/04/08/craigslist-an-aesthetic-abomination-and-not-the-daily-killer-everyone-thinks/comment-page-1/#comment-26648</link>
		<dc:creator>Job Board News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, i agree, Craig is not killing the dailies --   It&#039;s the job boards. I recently blogged about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://internetinc.com/Free-classifieds-OLX-targets-Craiglist-job-ads&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;threat of free classifieds here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, i agree, Craig is not killing the dailies &#8212;   It&#8217;s the job boards. I recently blogged about the <a href="http://internetinc.com/Free-classifieds-OLX-targets-Craiglist-job-ads" rel="nofollow">threat of free classifieds here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Dayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby Dayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - I agree with almost everything ou say. Clearly, we both agree that Craigslist doesn&#039;t care about the design of their site (although it should be noted that they actually do - they&#039;re passionate about removing all design from it. They are 100% anti-design). It has served them very, very well - for the company and Craigslist&#039;s users.

The point I was making (and it isn&#039;t beside the point because it is MY point. Not theirs, not yours, not anyone else&#039;s, but mine. And because it&#039;s my point, it can never be besides the point), is that Craigslist&#039;s aesthetic is an absolute abomination. It may very well be beside their point. Actually, I am certain it is, and my guess is that that was what you meant by it being beside the point....  But again, my point is that it&#039;s atrocious. Craigslist would agree. They want their design to be atrocious and they are extremely happy to continue to be a phenomenal success in that regard. But my point is that they are still atrocious. 

And that sucks, because, as the geniuses behind Blu Dot say, good design is good. And I&#039;d like to think that, everything else being equal, good design will always win out over poor design, at least eventually. Apple used to be the great exception to the rule, but they too are now starting to fit the universal law that design wins. Craigslist is now perhaps the leading exception to the rule, though in their case I&#039;d argue that not everything is equal. But ignoring that for the time being, I don&#039;t like the fact that poor design has as much mind-share as Craigslist does. That&#039;s my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; I agree with almost everything ou say. Clearly, we both agree that Craigslist doesn&#8217;t care about the design of their site (although it should be noted that they actually do &#8211; they&#8217;re passionate about removing all design from it. They are 100% anti-design). It has served them very, very well &#8211; for the company and Craigslist&#8217;s users.</p>
<p>The point I was making (and it isn&#8217;t beside the point because it is MY point. Not theirs, not yours, not anyone else&#8217;s, but mine. And because it&#8217;s my point, it can never be besides the point), is that Craigslist&#8217;s aesthetic is an absolute abomination. It may very well be beside their point. Actually, I am certain it is, and my guess is that that was what you meant by it being beside the point&#8230;.  But again, my point is that it&#8217;s atrocious. Craigslist would agree. They want their design to be atrocious and they are extremely happy to continue to be a phenomenal success in that regard. But my point is that they are still atrocious. </p>
<p>And that sucks, because, as the geniuses behind Blu Dot say, good design is good. And I&#8217;d like to think that, everything else being equal, good design will always win out over poor design, at least eventually. Apple used to be the great exception to the rule, but they too are now starting to fit the universal law that design wins. Craigslist is now perhaps the leading exception to the rule, though in their case I&#8217;d argue that not everything is equal. But ignoring that for the time being, I don&#8217;t like the fact that poor design has as much mind-share as Craigslist does. That&#8217;s my point.</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the design aesthetic of craigslist is less of an abomination than a real  commentary on the value structure of its core users - techno-nerds.  Craig himself has no design sense and he and his organization are deeply conservative in the sense that they change very slowly.  So they will get both RSS and search (I know they&#039;re working on search) but they won&#039;t do it until they are completely sure that it works well, that it doesn&#039;t slow the site down and that people are really ready for it.  

Everyone may use craigslist but at its heart it is a site for people who don&#039;t really care how it looks but just want it to work.  It is not my design aesthetic but it really does work.  The reality is that they feel a real passion for what they&#039;re doing and they don&#039;t actually consider the &#039;business case&#039; for anything they do.  So I just think calling it an abomination is beside the point because it&#039;s not what they&#039;re about, and that&#039;s not because they have different business motives.  Also, in terms of commerce only craigslist and eBay can be said to have had a direct impact on the newspaper classifieds business because they are much more enormous than everyone else doing the same things combined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the design aesthetic of craigslist is less of an abomination than a real  commentary on the value structure of its core users &#8211; techno-nerds.  Craig himself has no design sense and he and his organization are deeply conservative in the sense that they change very slowly.  So they will get both RSS and search (I know they&#8217;re working on search) but they won&#8217;t do it until they are completely sure that it works well, that it doesn&#8217;t slow the site down and that people are really ready for it.  </p>
<p>Everyone may use craigslist but at its heart it is a site for people who don&#8217;t really care how it looks but just want it to work.  It is not my design aesthetic but it really does work.  The reality is that they feel a real passion for what they&#8217;re doing and they don&#8217;t actually consider the &#8216;business case&#8217; for anything they do.  So I just think calling it an abomination is beside the point because it&#8217;s not what they&#8217;re about, and that&#8217;s not because they have different business motives.  Also, in terms of commerce only craigslist and eBay can be said to have had a direct impact on the newspaper classifieds business because they are much more enormous than everyone else doing the same things combined.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Dayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby Dayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah - I don&#039;t disagree with you at all. The anti-design approach is undoubtedly a critically vital component of Craigslist&#039;s success. Changing it would, without question, undermine their appeal, their positioning in the market, and probably their functionality. Shifting their approach to give higher priority to design and aesthetics would make absolutely no business sense given how Craigslist is positioning themselves today. It does, however, have an impact on who they are, what they deliver, and the flexibility they possess for adapting to a shifting landscape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah &#8211; I don&#8217;t disagree with you at all. The anti-design approach is undoubtedly a critically vital component of Craigslist&#8217;s success. Changing it would, without question, undermine their appeal, their positioning in the market, and probably their functionality. Shifting their approach to give higher priority to design and aesthetics would make absolutely no business sense given how Craigslist is positioning themselves today. It does, however, have an impact on who they are, what they deliver, and the flexibility they possess for adapting to a shifting landscape.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But here&#039;s the question:  What is the business case for making Craigslist more aesthetically pleasing?  Are you saying they&#039;d be able to make more money if they made it look nicer?  There are plenty of people who are sick of having to wait ages for fancy sites to load and are fine with text-based listings, and in fact it is this anti-hero approach that has helped Craigslist make $81 million annually.  I&#039;m just not sure that making it prettier would actually deliver real business benefits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But here&#8217;s the question:  What is the business case for making Craigslist more aesthetically pleasing?  Are you saying they&#8217;d be able to make more money if they made it look nicer?  There are plenty of people who are sick of having to wait ages for fancy sites to load and are fine with text-based listings, and in fact it is this anti-hero approach that has helped Craigslist make $81 million annually.  I&#8217;m just not sure that making it prettier would actually deliver real business benefits&#8230;</p>
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